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Russia, Krasnoyarsk

Yesterday at 15:53

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   We delayed the verification of the water meter, but all this time we paid according to his testimony, the company accepted payment, so it was for 6 months. Right now The company bills for 6 months on average and standard. If you provide an act of verification retroactively and say that I forgot to provide them with an act in exercise. company. Will such an action take place?

No, it won’t. Organization of law. You will not achieve recalculation. If you have forgotten something, it is the problem of the consumers, not the organization. You were required to submit an act to the management company on time, and not after 6 months. All actions are exclusively declarative in nature and no one will do anything without your application. Testimonies will be taken only after the presentation of the act, and not from the date of its preparation. Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of 05.06.2011 N 354 "On the provision of utilities to owners and users of premises in apartment buildings and residential buildings" (together with the "Rules for the provision of utilities to owners and users of premises in apartment buildings and residential buildings")

Alexndr Vasilievich Shilin

Russia, Samara

12/17/2017 at 11:37

How to be in this situation
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We delayed the verification of the water meter, but all this time we paid according to his testimony. The water channel accepted it for 8 months, then the water channel sends a payment for 10500 according to the standards, we immediately depay the verification of the water meter receives a certificate of its full serviceability, but the water channel requires you to pay according to the standards. count again for the paid period on the counter how to be in this situation, I ask for your competent legal assistance.

Russia, Volgograd

11/19/2017 at 20:24

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   We have expired verification of water meters. But we regularly paid for them. They worked properly. I want to change the counters now. What sanctions will jco apply? And if they write out any average calculated amounts, why would I pay them if I have been paying water all the time for these 2 years?

Hello! There is no fine as an administrative penalty. However, since the end of the verification period it is considered that you do not have a device, therefore, charges will be made first based on the average monthly consumption (within 3 months), and then based on the norm multiplied by the number of owners. This procedure for determining the amount of fees for consumed utilities is established by the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of May 6, 2011 No. 354 (3 paragraph, paragraph 42, paragraph 59, 81 (13)).

Vladimir

Russia, Rostov-on-Don

11/14/2017 at 22:32

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   Verification of the water meter has expired. He did the verification. Can I ask for a recount if I haven’t used it since I bought the house.

You can ask if you provide evidence of not using the service; "Housing Code of the Russian Federation" dated December 29, 2004 N 188-FZ (as amended on July 29, 2017) (as amended and supplemented, entered into force on August 10, 2017) "" RF LC Article 153. Obligation to pay a fee for housing and utilities "" 1. Citizens and organizations are required to "timely" and fully pay fees for housing and utilities. "" 2. The obligation to pay fees for housing and utilities arises from: "" 1) the tenant of the housing under a social contract of employment from the moment of conclusion of such an agreement; 1.1) the tenant of the premises under the contract of rental of the premises of the housing fund for social use from the moment of conclusion of this agreement; (Clause 1.1 is introduced by the Federal Law of July 21, 2014 N 217-ФЗ) 2) the tenant of the living quarters of the state or municipal housing stock from the moment of conclusion of the corresponding lease agreement; 3) the tenant of the premises under the contract of rental of premises of the state or municipal housing fund from the moment of conclusion of such an agreement; 4) a member of a housing cooperative from the moment the housing is provided by the housing cooperative; "" 5) the owner of the premises from the moment the ownership of the premises arises, taking into account the rules established by paragraph 3 of Article 169 of this Code; (Clause 5 as amended by Federal Law of June 29, 2015 N 176-ФЗ) (see the text in the previous "wording") "6) of the person who accepted from the developer (the person who ensures the construction of the apartment building) after issuing permission to him putting the apartment building into operation in the building in the building according to the deed of transfer or other transfer document, from the moment of such transfer; (Clause 6 is introduced by the Federal Law of 04.06.2011 N 123-ФЗ) 7) of the developer (the person who provides the construction of the multi-apartment building) in relation to the premises in the building not transferred to other persons under a deed of transfer or other transfer document, from the moment of issue him permission to put the apartment building into operation. (Clause 7 is introduced by the Federal Law of June 29, 2015 N 176-ФЗ) 3. Prior to the settlement of residential premises of the state and municipal housing funds in the prescribed manner, the costs of maintaining the living premises and utilities are borne by the authorities state power   and local authorities or persons authorized by them.

Russia, Astrakhan

11/03/2017 at 21:32

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Hello. In July 2012, I bought an apartment in the old fund, adding a mat. capital. When it was time to turn on the heating, the gasman called. He could not turn on AOGV. he examined the gases. The counter, it turned out that it is designed only for gases. Cooker. That is, the counter must be more powerful (for all devices). According to the documents of the apartment, the heater and gas water heater are dismantled. The meter has overdue calibration (May 2016 due to fear.

Russia Moscow

10.20.2017 at 19:18

Checking water meters
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   Verification of water meters has expired. On what basis (and is it legal) do they calculate water consumption by the number of owners (4), and not by the number of people registered in the apartment (1 person)?

Hello! Since the end of the verification period, it is considered that you do not have a device, therefore, charges will be made first based on the average monthly consumption (within 3 months), and then based on the norm multiplied by the number of owners. This procedure for determining the amount of fees for consumed utilities is established by the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of May 6, 2011 No. 354 (3 paragraph, paragraph 42, paragraph 59, 81 (13)).

Russia, Astrakhan

10/18/2017 at 22:31

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   Hello, I have overdue the verification of the gas meter for two years (I did not know that this should be done). In September, I checked, gave a certificate of validity of the existing meter. She brought the documents to Mezhregiongaz, they did not accept this certificate, they counted the debt of 70 s. Rub. And 27 are you with. Rub. Penny. They demand payment and said that they will transfer the case to court. Does it make sense to sue them?

If you have not paid for gas for all two years, then a claim of debt and interest is legal. If you continued to pay according to the testimony of IPU, then the payments should be set off and recalculated. The first three months after the expiration of the service life, the fee should be charged according to the average monthly consumption for the last six months according to the testimony of IPU, from the fourth month - according to the consumption standard based on the number registered in the premises. Clause 59 of the RF PP dated 05.06.2011 No. 354.

Valentine

Russia Moscow

10/14/2017 at 00:07

Resident Denied Recalculation
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   Hello!
  Question in connection with problems in housing and communal services:
  1. Arriving from vacation, they found glued on the door bright orange paper from the Housing, which indicated the amount of debt with the requirement to urgently pay off. In this regard, the question: are the actions of the Housemaid legitimate in terms of sticking such documents on a private door?
2. In connection with the departure, the verification of water meters was overdue for 2 months, as a result of which they received payments with payment for water supply and heating at the maximum rate. After submitting the readings of the counters, we wrote an application for recalculation, however, no recalculation was made and we continue to receive payment with debt. What are our actions in this situation?
  3. Also, the last time due to vacation on time could not give the readings of water meters. Again received a payment at the maximum amount. Are we entitled to request recalculation after testimony? Thanks in advance!

1. Yes, rightfully so. Your personal data in this case has not been disclosed. The apartment number and the amount of the debt are not personalized data, i.e. do not have a personal binding. 2. According to the "Rules for the provision of utility services to owners and users of premises in apartment buildings and apartment buildings" (approved by the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of May 6, 2011 N 354): "... 59. Payment for utility services provided to the consumer in a residential or non-residential premises for the billing period, determined on the basis of the calculated average monthly consumption of the communal resource by the consumer, determined by the testimony of an individual or common (apartment) meter for a period of at least 1 year [this period was valid until 1 and June 2013] for at least 6 months [this period is set from June 1, 2013 Of the Government of the Russian Federation of April 16, 2013 No. 344 “On Amending Certain Acts of the Government of the Russian Federation on Issues of Providing Utility Services”], and if the period of operation of the meter was less than 1 year, less than 6 months, then for the actual period of operation of the meter, but at least 3 months (for heating - at least 3 months of the heating period) in the following cases and for the indicated billing periods: a) in the event of failure or loss of the previously put into operation individual, common (apartment), indoor meter, or THE NAME OF ITS OPERATION, determined by the TIME BEFORE THE NEXT CHECK, - starting from the date when the specified events occurred, and if the date cannot be set, then starting from the estimated period in which the specified events occurred, until the date when the utility account was renewed by putting into operation an individual, common (apartment), indoor metering device that meets the established requirements, BUT NO MORE THAN 3 billing periods in a row for a residential building and no more than 2 billing periods in a row for not ilogo premises; 60. AT THE EXPLOSION of the maximum number of billing periods specified in clause 59 of these Rules for which the utility fee is determined according to the data provided for by the specified clause, the utility bill is calculated in accordance with paragraph 42 of these Rules on the basis of utility service consumption standards. ” There will be no recalculation. 3. If you have a good, attorney-in-time counter, a recalculation will be made to you.

Russia Moscow

08/23/2017 at 20:08

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Hello. Verification of water meters in the apartment is overdue for 6 months, after which the check was carried out, but the Criminal Code invoices for an irregular period at an average rate, the question is to pay or try in court.

Russia, Nizhny Novgorod

08/22/2017 at 21:39

Verification of the meter has expired - George, Nizhny Novgorod
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   Hello. How to write an application for the recalculation of charges for the provision of gas, in connection with the overdue calibration of the meter. Thanks in advance.

Sixteen years of service. Of all home meters, electric meters can last longer than others without failures. Without requiring verification - the so-called control over the accuracy of readings. 16 years here, however, the maximum term. Depending on the filling, and the consumed kilowatts are considered to be induction and electronic devices, the calibration interval can be reduced to 6 years. And when buying a new counter, you need to watch when it is made. Information in the data sheet. It is from this period, and not from the date of purchase, not from the date of installation, that the device is considered suitable. If it is the property of the landlord, it is his direct responsibility to monitor the timing of verification. But many electricity meters are still run by resource organizations. Unlike aquatic. Here all responsibility is on us. Once every 6 years, at least, you need to call experts to believe the cold water meter. Once every 4 years - hot.

“Because hot water is supplied from us with overheating, the use of the materials that exist, and also all depends on the purification of the water and the gradients that are used. Therefore, such an interval was set. It was established naturally through the resource tests that were carried out, and with those opportunities that exist. Of course, for the most part, everything depends on the purity of the water, "says Rostest Moscow Deputy Director General.

And even if the water passed through the meter without serious consequences for it, only specialists can confirm this. Violating the timing of verification is more expensive. The employees of management companies have a better memory than many apartment owners - they recorded when your meter turned on. And in the event of a delay in the device, water bills immediately begin to grow.

“Here came a fine for not passing this verification on time. A fine of five thousand rubles,” says Yekaterina Kovalchuk.

Yekaterina Kovalchuk learned about penalties for not checking the cold and hot water meters on time management companywhen she asked for clarifications - why her utility bills unexpectedly tripled.

“I don’t understand where they get such huge numbers from ... I searched the Internet for what they can take such a fine for. I haven’t found a single reason for this. I think they don’t have the right to charge us this fine,” says Ekaterina Kovalchuk.

In fact, the lawyer Igor Zverev explains, the invoice is no fine. Moreover, the law does not provide for penalties for failed verification of metering devices. However, management companies are inventive. And in case of delay in checking the meters, in the column of water consumption - they put their testimonies.

"In fact, they charge other volumes of water that are overpriced. They deceive the consumer. But this is simply an abstract word behind the penalty. They can’t be fined," Igor Zverev, a lawyer at the Consumer Rights Protection Society, warns.

The volume of water in the absence of verification, as practice shows, can really be anything. In the case of the receipt of one of the residents of Moscow, the volume of consumption was overstated by 20 times. Residents of this apartment a month on average consumed one and a half thousand liters of hot water. And they entered 30 thousand.

As managed to find out in a single billing center, according to the readings of the common house meter. To the question on what basis, the employee of the ERC referred to the rules of the contract, which is signed during the installation of meters. And the Management Company called another law. Decree of the city government number 77.

Lawyer Dmitry Gordeev says such links are pure guile. Moreover, common house consumption is also paid by residents. For example, in the form of expenses for the maintenance of the house. And the calculations for the meters that have not been verified are made differently.

"When the device has gone beyond the verification period, the consumption standards are applied, while this consumption standard is set by the state authority and no one can come up with any standard either by the managing organization or the GUIZ with its RCC. That is, they use the standard that established a public authority of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation, "says Dmitry Gordeev, leading legal adviser to the Institute for Urban Economics Foundation.

In Moscow, according to the norm, the consumption of hot water per month per person is almost 5 thousand liters, and in the cold - almost 7 liters. Despite the fact that real consumption is less. But calculations according to the standards can only begin after three months, after the expiration of the meter’s life. Up to this point, according to paragraph 59 of the 354th decree of the government of the Russian Federation, all management companies in the country must use the average monthly readings of metering devices. And they thought otherwise - you need to require recalculation. And in case of refusal - contact the regional housing supervision authorities. Or to court.

The main problem of payment for utilities is the payment for the expenditure of a resource that a citizen did not use. Therefore, the installation of water meters is the most optimal solution to this issue. This service allows you to reduce the cost of paying for water supply by a third, since the amount of used resource will be displayed on the device’s dial. When connecting the meter, it is better to contact professionals. They will help to qualitatively and technically correctly install the device, without any consequences that may lead to pipe leakage and inaccurate readings.

Problems installing water meters

The issue of utility bills in Russia has been in a problem state for several years. The bottom line is that not all the population of the country wants to change the calculation according to the standards for payment on the metering device. Previously, the amount of payment depended on the number of residents in one housing. But this form of payment was far from perfect and at some points disadvantageous for the state.

Today, the installation of meters is carried out by the Criminal Code and Homeowners Association, but it is also possible to install it yourself. In this case, the duties of communal workers include:

• conclusion of an agreement;
• making a subscriber in the state register;
• sealing the device for verification or after the expiration of the service life.

Before buying a meter for cold and hot water, you must write a statement to the management company so that their representative can inspect the communications. Since there are a number of reasons why connecting a water meter is prohibited. The installation period will last a maximum of a month. Installation of the meter will be free if you are the owner of municipal housing, this principle does not apply to the privatized area. It is important to use the advice of specialists before buying the device, otherwise you can buy the wrong model, which will not work at full capacity. It is also better to carry out installation work with the master in order to do these actions quickly and efficiently.

Cold and hot water is supplied through different channels and, accordingly, the tariffs will also differ. Therefore, it is recommended to install 2 meters, if you do not have a water supply from any communication.

Water meter verification procedure

After some time, accounting equipment is checked. Inspection of meters is a mandatory process of checking equipment, which is prescribed by law. There are established deadlines for monitoring the operation and condition of the device. For hot water meters, the inter-check interval is 4 years, for cold - 6 years. It is important to remember that the user must control the timing of the inspection of meters and report this to the appropriate services. But there are cases when the check has not been carried out for a long time or was not carried out in the intended time period. What should a subscriber do in such a situation?

First of all, you need to contact the water supply authorities with a written statement about the need to check the meter, here you must also indicate the reason why the control was delayed. In this case, starting from the day of the planned inspection, which was not carried out, the owner will pay according to the standards established by law. Further, metrologists will come to the address of the submitted application to verify the device. It is carried out directly at the installation site, but in some situations it may be provided for its dismantling and inspection in a metrological firm.

There is a general algorithm for checking the water meter:

• filing an application for inspection and an explanatory note to the water supply organization;
• targeted exit of experts;
• direct control of the device;
• drawing up a reconciliation report.

If no third-party interference is detected in the operation of the device, and it successfully passed a suitability test, then it can be operated in the future. Otherwise, the equipment will have to be replaced with new ones.

Correct and timely verification of the water meter guarantees the user operation without errors and true readings. It also allows you to extend the life of the device, which is on average 15 years. But sometimes it is significantly reduced due to poor water quality, lack of filtration, and for other reasons.

Penalties for water meter misuse

Monitoring the operation of the meter is a necessary and legally prescribed process. When installing the device and signing the contract, information about the payer is entered into the database of the HOA or the Criminal Code. Therefore, it is the responsibility of the employees of these companies to notify subscribers of upcoming inspections. There are columns in the documents and descriptive characteristics of the device that are intended for the personal data of the client (information about accommodation), the serial number and the date of manufacture of the equipment, which further avoids confusion with the paperwork. Without inspection of the meter, the readings are considered invalid.

The legislation does not provide for a penalty for violation of the inspection act, but in the course of research in the laboratory it may become clear that a water meter recorded a lower flow rate than it passed through, then the owner of the meter faces an administrative penalty in the form of a decent fine.

If the deadlines for checking water meters have expired, the user will automatically pay according to the standard multiplied by the tariff. As a result, without notifying specialists in a timely manner about the need to inspect the device, you will be forced to pay several times more, and in the future you will have to re-buy the counter and conclude an agreement with the UK.

Maintenance of accounting equipment

Today, there are a large number of companies that are engaged in the service of meters. When contacting this or that company, it is important to check their license permission to conduct such activities. Advice can also be used in the management company itself. She will be able to refer you to an organization that is guaranteed to service accounting devices.

Specialists advise contacting a company that has been engaged in this work for a long time and has expensive technical equipment for checking meters. They can offer you the service of diagnosing the device at home, using a specialized mobile installation, without unnecessary effort, time and dismantling of the water meter. During the procedure for disconnecting the device from the general water supply system, it is necessary to have a representative of the Housing Office, since the seals are removed, and this type of check will take a longer period of time.

The following information will be important and useful for the consumer: equipment diagnostics in the laboratory lasts 1-2 days, no more. At the time of removal of the water meter, the company must provide the owner with a replacement.

Advantages of installing meters

During 2015, the government of the country was forced to deliberately raise tariffs for paying for water and change the conditions for connecting metering devices. Each year, the calculation will increase and in 2017 it is planned to increase to 70% in comparison with previous indicators. As a result, the final transition of Russian citizens to payment by meters is planned, otherwise you will have to pay at inflated prices.

If you think about it, the only problem that causes the reluctance of residents of houses and apartments to connect such equipment is its high cost. But do not be upset and be so negatively inclined, because the purchase price pays off in a year, due to savings on payment for water. In addition, companies that sell and install such devices today provide installments for their customers.

Thus, it can be said with confidence that the installation of water meters is a new step in improving the system for calculating utility bills. With this device, citizens of the Russian Federation will be able to save monthly from 100 to 1000 rubles. The changes of 2015 became relevant and today the majority of the country's population uses meters. This is only the first step on the road to developing the country's economy and improving people's living standards.

The process of installing a meter for measuring used volumes of water, as well as the conclusion of contractual conditions with representatives of the management company, these items demonstrate only a small fraction of what directly affects the issue related to the use of metering devices.

The service of verification of water meters itself belongs to the field of compulsory services. This type of activity is implemented through the actions of specialists in strict compliance with applicable laws.

Verification of water meters is necessary, because there are rules for maintaining technical safety in the field of water communication processes. It may well turn out that you acquired a high-quality and very expensive water meter, and after a while it turned out to be inoperative.

Why are water meters damaged?

1. Water is of poor quality;
2. The water communications system is not working properly;
3. The meter itself has a high probability of wear.

A counter that does not work correctly cannot correctly count all the necessary data. Therefore, as you already understood, any indication issued by such an instrument is invalid. As the actual situation shows us, the approximate period of operation of water meters is from four to six years.

Sometimes, situations arise when, after a certain time period, the device system is functioning properly. In this situation, when verification work is completed, the device can be safely installed again, using it until the next verification period begins. If you have not gotten a water meter yet, then you should familiarize yourself with the legislative act two thousand and fifteen, where all the installation information is given.

Periods of verification of water meters

Are you interested in what are the deadlines for checking water meters in a UK or ZHEK? The information on this is as follows: if a cold water meter is installed, the period will be six years; if a hot water meter is installed, the period is up to four years. All these norms appeared in the legislative act in the old days. The term of each verification does not express inconsistency with the general rules, as well as with the standards, and, nevertheless, this will not turn out to be an insufficiently correct answer.

In earlier years in our country, verification was carried out in accordance with the established list of standards (four years and six years). A government decree related to the implementation of verification processes of water meters in the Russian Federation (decree number 354) indicates that the period of verification work is determined not through standards, but in accordance with the technical characteristics that are prescribed in the documentation attached to the device itself . In many cases, manufacturers indicate the recommended calibration period (usually more than four or six years).

Despite the established rules, norms and laws, members representing the Housing Office are trying with great tenacity to continue to deny the actual existence of these rules. They may also ignore government regulations related to the calibration periods of water meters. At the same time, everyone is well aware that this kind of order is the same for both individuals and legal entities.

And then one important question immediately arises: for what reason do the employees of the housing office work according to the prescribed scenario? The subsequent answer will not contain anything unusual: recently, representatives of the Criminal Code have begun quite close cooperation with companies working for the purpose of carrying out commercial activities that provide technical maintenance of meters, as well as other varieties of plumbing equipment.

Companies whose activities are related to the sphere of management strive to extract the maximum percentage of profits from existing installations and conduct diagnostics of various types of meters. It is a pity that in recent years it will not be easy to somehow change the system formed over a long period. To ensure a longer time period, dividing the dates of verification, you have to kill a huge amount of time.

In order for the permanent cooperation of clients and companies involved in the execution of diagnostics of accounting devices to occur on an ongoing basis, it is necessary to conclude specialized contractual conditions. Verification periods, which are carried out according to the agreement, usually range from four to six years.

Remember: a complete list of all the important data on the operating periods recommended by manufacturers, as well as other characteristics of the technical plan, is in the official documentation that is attached to the product at the time of purchase. The time intervals between checks are always calculated not from the time when the purchase of the goods was made, but from the release date of the goods.

Is there a need to check water meters

Why is calibration of water meters carried out? A procedure of this kind is required.

If not conducted, they will be deemed invalid.

The verification process is fixed by the norms of the law, and when evading it, the citizen will be given an announcement about the need to transfer payments to the general tariff for water supply (hot or cold).

When a counter is installed and a contract is concluded, the set of consumer data falls into the registry area of \u200b\u200bthe HOA or the Criminal Code. Sometimes members of these organizational associations may

notify the user that it is necessary to soon verify the water meter. In the documents that are provided to the buyer along with the device, there is a graph in which the information provided by the client is entered: data from the passport and housing information. In addition, there are special columns in the official documentation with serial numbers, technical specifications, and the date the device was created.

It is imperative to remember that representatives of a company engaged in verification must constantly formally record the time when verification is carried out and provide the results of the implemented diagnostics.

Quite a lot there are companies that conduct maintenance of accounting devices. The most important feature is that all organizations of this kind are required to have a license with them, officially confirming the conduct of this activity.

In a situation if you do not know any company specializing in the verification of water meters, then you can safely use the services of a management company. The consumer during the appeal is usually sent to the company engaged in this type of service. To get quality service, it is recommended to contact only trusted companies that use expensive equipment to verify devices.

The verification procedure in most cases is carried out through the dismantling of the device, as well as by transfer to a laboratory room for diagnostic work.

There is still verification that it is possible to implement at home without the removal process, which is possible due to a portable installation of a specialized type. During dismantling, the presence of a representative of the Housing Office is a mandatory requirement, because during this procedure the seals are removed and the whole process can be delayed for a very long time.

Diagnosing a water meter using a portable type apparatus does not force other unnecessary interventions, which is why the procedure goes at a faster pace.

Remember that the diagnostics of a water meter, implemented in laboratory conditions, can last for one or two days. By the time the meter is verified, the company that conducts the diagnostic procedure must issue a replacement to the consumer.